Men constantly cry out about the terrible problem in gender relations: all women just like bad boys. When you look at things with a keen eye, there is some element of truth to the tale, though I'm sure I don't know why. And again, I'm just saying what I've seen. My ex-wife left me for a guy who had been in prison twice for possession, so maybe I've got a twisted view of it or maybe I'm dead on.
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Oh, bologna. Simmons, what you have is not perspective. It's sado-masochism. Don't give me that eye. You know what I'm talking about.
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What, her?
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Yes. You're denying yourself happiness because you don't think you're worth the effort. You hide--let me finish--you hide behind this façade of "good guy/bad guy" impossibility in order to explain why you're denying yourself the pleasure of a good, hard
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Don't be vulgar, Dan. Even you don't have to stoop to vulgarity. All I'm trying to do, and you know it, so shut up, is prove that men complain needlessly about women liking "bad boys." I merely used my own situation as a sort of postulate ergo quorum of some kind, though if it annoys you, I can dismiss the compelling evidence to deter your tenebrous accusations.
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Oh, I didn't mean it like that. I just. . . forget it.
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Can I get on with my point? I had something profound to say. I'll just be short about it. No poofery. Here's the thing: men complain that women like jerks, but women still haven't picked up on the secret male desire.
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A great rack?
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I said secret.
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Oh. You mean--
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I do mean. And either women don't care, which I find unlikely, or they don't know. And the worst of it is that even the men haven't figured it out. At least not why we look for it so explicitly.
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Maybe it's seductive? Part of the appeal?
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Preposterous, Simmons. Simply preposterous.
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In any case, you can't use that as an excuse. She practically defines it. If they had a mould to cast, they would synthesize her an pour her into it to make sirens or succubi or Victoria's Secret models. You can't have any complaints there. She's just exactly as intoxicating as you like. Despite the hangover afterwards.
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Yes, well. There's still the fact that I'm not a--
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Vulgarity.
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I certainly haven't figured it out. Though, I'm probably not one that they'd use as a mold for sirens, succubi or Victoria's Secret models. Part of me wishes I knew what 'it' was.
ReplyDeleteI can see these guys talking, though. Nice writing.
"Tenebrous" is a good word.
ReplyDeleteI am intrigued by the way that one character refers to the other by last name only, while the other uses the first name. While the conversation has the veneer of two equals talking, I can't help reading just a little bit of contempt in it, as though these are men from two different classes talking, like master and butler, and each considers his own view superior, for whatever reason.
I am 99% sure that is not what you were intending.
I thought about it, but not as deeply. I certainly didn't intend it.
ReplyDeleteAshlee: every woman is capable of "it."
I saw that too, that thing about the names. I just thought that the one was being more formal.
ReplyDeleteWell, I'm glad that I'm capable of 'it'. I'm still rather sure that I have no clue as to what 'it' is.
I find the idea that every woman is capable of being a succubus or siren or whatever rather farfetched.
ReplyDeleteMaybe every woman has the possibility of it, but only half a dozen of the women a person can meet in a lifetime will ever realize it. Probably fewer. Maybe not any.
I never met such a woman, at any rate.
I'm not sure I'd want to become one.
First, these guys sound like you are talking. What I mean is that I hear the cadence of your real life voice in the conversation of your characters. Ha!
ReplyDeleteSecond, I'm annoyed at you. You can't tell us there is an "it" and then not divulge what "it" is. YOU SUCK.
Well, at the very least we can rule out a great rack.
DeleteWell, I'm not sure I'm right.
ReplyDeleteAnd Janelle, you have. You have and I think you know it, you just don't want to. So don't.
I've been trying to think of a woman I know who is capable of intoxicating any man, any time. There's this girl I went to high school with for a while who might fit the bill, actually. So yeah, I suppose I was mistaken.
ReplyDeleteI still wouldn't want to be her.
Is the "it" everyone's looking for "daddy issues," perchance?
You've got the heart of it, but you need to back up and see the whole body. You've singled in on only a piece of the problem.
ReplyDeleteIf men's irresistible pull comes from something so broad as beiing a butthole, would a woman's come from something so narrow as daddy issues?
Also: of these men look down on/up to each other, why does the man who only uses last names want to say "a good, hard, --" and break all propriety?
ReplyDeleteDoesn't make sense.
Anyway, I fixed some errors and I hate my phone.
I shall reply backwards. I don't get the feeling he cares so much about propriety as he does about appearing to be in a position of power.
ReplyDeleteBecause people often define women narrowly, and it's shorthand for a bunch of things. I suppose "vulnerability" is the big one, though.
I think maybe the "women want men who are jerks" thing is more about strength than about wanting someone horrible.
That seems right to me.
ReplyDeleteDon't forget the misguided female desire to be the one who "fixes" the broken man. Women like to nurture, so the jerk (she assumes) is someone with a dark and tortured soul that just needs love and sunshine. Plus, if she fixes him with the power of her love, that validates her. Nothing in the world was beautiful enough or gentle enough to tame him UNTIL she came along.
ReplyDeleteShe may not even want him to stop being a dangerous jerk in general, but she wants to be the one thing in the world that reaches through the hardcore dudebro exterior to his soft and gooey center. Awww, she Florence Nightengaled his drama. SHE WINS.